From:	      Ted Nelson [SMTP:ted@xanadu.net]
Sent:	      Wednesday, October 07, 1998 10:49 PM
To:	      don@toad.com
Cc:	      ted@sfc.keio.ac.jp; marlene@xanadu.net; xanni@xanadu.net; eharter@din.or.jp
Subject:      Your piece on X is BRILLIANT!

Hi--

I just keeled over laughing at your piece on X.
 It educates and is written brilliantly at the same time.
 Dunno if we've met, seems likely.

Anyhow, one of your pages says you're interested in
 graphical user interfaces-- which haven't been TRIED
 yet, only the PARC paradigm of disconnected windows.

Fer openers, you might want to look at my ZigZag program
 at www.xanadu.net-- some people get it already, others
 may have to wait till we hook in some graphics.
 "No metaphors, no icons, no paper simulation, no
 hierarchies, and best of all-- no applications."

Best, TN
(Is NeWs (or whatever) still available?  (I know you're
 at toad.com and Hugh Daniel raves about News,
 so I presume you're friends.))

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Quotation of the day, 98.10.08:
"The technical difference between a language and a dialect: a language is a
dialect with an army."  --Author unknown 
"The technical difference between a religion and a cult: a religion is a
cult with downtown lawyers."  TN89


From: Hopkins, Don [mailto:Hopkins, Don] 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 12:15 PM
To: 'Ted Nelson'
Cc: dhopkins@maxis.com
Subject: RE: Your piece on X is BRILLIANT!

Thanks for your message! 
Yes I've worked with ||ugh on NeWS at at least a couple of companies. 
We go way back, but not nearly as far back as you two to Anne Arbor!
The first time I saw you and ||ugh (but I didn't meet either of you then, 
but distinctly remembered ||ugh when I really met him years later) 
was at MIT Tech Square, it might have been the 5th floor or thereabouts, 
where you guys were giving this great hypertext demo, and wearing hats 
with wings. I was there visiting the hacker mecca, the 9th floor ai lab,
and friends I had around the area. Later Hugh and I would hack NeWS
in a wedge shaped office on Mass Ave, back around black monday. 
And then still later in San Francisco for John Gilmore's company 
Grasshopper Group. Both companies ported NeWS to the Mac 
(one MacOS and one A/UX), but never really went anywhere. 
I don't think NeWS is still available, but people have written clones
and mutants that it inspired. The hard nut to crack was the PostScript
imaging model. PostScript seems to have died out in that I can't view
a PostScript document on any Mac or PC. Funny thing that's the 
one thing Unix is still good for these days. 

    -Don